very soon.

This really makes me wish I waited until the orange and white ones were 
released. i'm seriously drooling.

would it cost much to get the white base enclosure? (it'd suit my iBook 
better).

i would even swap someone if they wanted a black bottom casing. I'd pay 
for shipping.
i wonder how much it would cost to powdercoat my top plate...

awesome models tehn. really awesome.

wow guys.

wow.

today has been a great day. the new shellac album came out, i recorded 
onto my first 1/4" tape, and now all of these things.

I think I am going to stick with my 40h and get a 256, but oh boy do i 
want to build a 128 and add 16 of those motorized faders to it... seems 
like it would be the ultimate computer console interface. or ultra 
pLayer with fadeeerrrs (though i suppose you wouldn't need motorized 
ones for pLayer... i really gotta finish that program)

awesome work.

beautiful !

yeah finally.I waiting one year for this information.great job.now i 
have choice...Thanks..

Fairplay they sound amazing!

The new limited edition 40h looks mint too

I'm guessing the 128 wont be bus powered ? any workarounds ? two usb 
cables ?

so cool!


so will the 64 and 128 be 1/4 and 1/2 respectively, the price of the 
256?

just wondering. :)

i'm eyeing a 64 or a 128...

love the smaller form factor.

so wait...does this mean the 64 (40h) is being re-released?  that 
there'll be more of 'em (other than the special edition ones)?

Damn. Now what to do? Muddle through a kit or get a 128?  Too nice.

Does this mean that the buttons come with switches and the only thing to 
get is the LEDs for the buttons?

Will they be providing a soldering template/guide for purchase.

I really want to put a few faders on there...

Apparently the 64 is a smaller 40h...

Can some one post the actual physical dimensions of all of these.

i guess that would make sense that the 64 is a smaller 40h.  since it 
says "small 8x8" and "utilizing new keypad design" which is smaller than 
the 40h had.

interesting...

Why the name change?  I thought using the hexadecimal representation
of the # of buttons was a pretty cool way to name these.  Will there be
a different name for each model, or will it be like "the ahead 128" or
something?

Update: oops, I misread.  I thought they were going to call it the 
"ahead" - but that's just the title of the post. [rolleyes]

im guessing the namechange is because its easier to understand with 3 
differant models.

very very cool :)

daniel is correct. the name change is because the 256, 128, and 64 are 
all designed incredibly similar, so they're more of a series. same 
keypads, wood, etc.

the 40h is substantially larger than the 64 will be. for different uses 
this may or may not be preferable. also the silicone base of the 40h 
separates it from the group.

we'll post physical dimensions soon, but for the meantime, consider that 
the 16x16 is vaguely 10"x10" and go from there.

wow, that seems little.

I'm looking forward to them.  what do you expect the prices to be? will 
the 128 be 1/2 the price of the 256 and the 64, 1/4 the price (+/-)  ?

the short answer is no, on pricing. plates, wood enclosures, etc do not 
follow this sort of pricing for us to manufacture. we don't have 
reliable figures yet.

The new boxes are looking really nice, personally i would be interested 
in the small 64. I find the 8x8 very playable. Will these new versions 
offer similar adc ports and will they all be usb powered?

Also, the SE comes with an accelerometer. What spec is the accelerometer 
thats being used? I have one that works over 1.5G so the values on the 
adc ports only work between 0.3 and 0.7 when tilting. You have to shake 
it to get the full range. I have a few programs that i need to upload 
that are designed for use with the accelerometer. I'll try to get them 
up by the weekend.

we're also using a 1.5G accelerometer, we bracket the values in 
software. also we've been meaning to upload our tilt-map patch, i'll try 
to get that up today.

only the 64 will be usb powered. the others require more current (at 
peak, with all leds on) than the usb spec allows.

we'll probably leave auxiliary pins available on the chip again, given 
there are leftovers.

Hmmm... will the 64 be cheaper than $500 or more expensive?  I'm down 
for getting one of these again after having the 40h, as long as it isn't 
above $500.

we'll have prices once we get properly quoted on all of the components. 
it's unfortunately complicated, but that's reality.

Wait, so the new ones will have an external power supply?

yes, all except the 64

depending on the led selection, we may be able to have the 8x16 be 
bus-powered. but probably not, since we'll go for the brightest leds 
possible.

the problem is when you have all of them on at once. under "normal" use 
you don't do this, and are well under the usb spec. but with them all 
on, it goes over.

what about supplementing it [8x16] with battery power ?

Oh cool, I want a 64...so I'm set.

battery power... interesting idea.  There are web sites that show how to 
turn a USB port into a battery charger or you can buy devices that do 
that and stick one in the case.  Since we have to make our own cases 
room isn't an issue.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=usb+battery+charger&btnG=Google+Search

damn.  i wish i were rich, i want all three!

What about having multiple USB connections or even a Firewire 
connection, just for power with a power supply if required. This could 
work better for people on the go who'd rather not lug around an extra 
PSU but wouldn't mind sacrificing their USB/Firewire ports for power.

I think a good solution would be a standard USB wall plug, it's cheap, 
it's very light, fits standard usb A-B cables and you can choose 
whatever USB cable you want.

example: 
http://www.amazon.com/Zip-Linq-Wall-Plug-USB-Adapter/dp/B000167V46

The monome models that require the extra juice could have a second USB 
port at the backpanel for power only or you could even fit a complete 
USB hub inside, which allows you to connect other USB peripherals.

Example: http://www.drbott.com/images/lg/3014-MXHG.jpg

They look really awesome!

But about the 8x16:
Is it handled as 2x40h internally or as a real 8x16?

(I'm asking, because as I've told tehn already, monomeserial might have 
problems with properly rotating asymmetric devices)


Keep up the excellent work.

Yours,
^Rooker

8x16 will be a true, single-port, 8x16. we'll take care of everything in 
the protocol and monomeserial, no worries!

I don't own a monome yet but I've got ideas on mods and have had 
software compatibility across platforms on my mind.  When tehn says

"we'll take care of everything in
the protocol and monomeserial, no worries!"

How do these programs work together to get some kind of modularity? Hope 
that makes sense.

Thanks for any insight.

the OSC protocol is open-ended:

/prefix/led x y state

/prefix/press x y state

so many units can be chained together, rotated, offset to different 
positions, all via the monomeserial router app (os x and xp).

the new units will fit into this same functionality. the hardware/serial 
side should be relatively transparent.

Beautiful.  I take it the devices can be scanned to see what's attached 
per the FTDI programming?  I'm still kicking around making a color 
version, think of it as 3 40h devices on top of each other, 16 buttons, 
192 LEDs but the LEDs are physically in the same package.  I want to get 
a hold of a 40h and get into the software before I brew my own, I 
already have the sparkfun parts, pads/uC/FTDI board.

Thats cool
I havnt been on here and those white 40hs look tight

I hope yall do a custom type thing with the 256

just wondering if the 64 will be cheaper than the original 40h...was 
considering buying a kit but this may be an option

we haven't done complete cost analysis for the new series, as we haven't 
received quotes for several components. we of course hope it will be 
cheaper.

one way of looking at the OSC Protocol is that there is just a large (as 
in 0 to the max value of an Int32) grid per prefix, and the Monome 
devices are placed in this grid using offsets and cable orientation 
commands.  you send values to the virtual grid, and if the device, or 
devices, fall into the grid, then their led's turn on or off.

of course, this isnt really how one will use it, sending /led commands 
off into the ether isnt really practical, but thats how Monome Serial 
works.

of course, the values arent saved, so you cant do /frame command "in the 
ether" as i put it, and then do a box offset into the frame region and 
make the lights turn on, this would be a bit impractical and wasteful 
imo.

tonedeft said:

> Beautiful.  I take it the devices can be scanned to see what's attached 
> per the FTDI programming?

yes.  Monome SerialXP reads the registry, where the FTDI info is stored 
(the reg key s listed somewhere in their FAQ/help page, google it if you 
are interested).  Monome Serial OSX gets the data via the regular file 
system, i believe.  the devices are indexed in the GUI by thier serial 
numbers ("m40hxxx" for 40h devices).

Monome Serial XP should be out very soon!

you think new devices can be ready before august ?

no. early/mid-august is hopeful.

will there be a pre order on the 64.any idea of price yet.thanks

pre-order will probably just be two weeks before release.

release date is not yet set. it shouldn't be too far behind the 256.

no price yet. should be right around the 40h?

so the release for the 128(8x16) will be soon? because if it's more that 
$700...i might be out of luck, seeing that there are limited quantities 
of all the monomes.

any ROUGH guesses on the 128 (8x16)...because if it's more that $700...i 
might be out of luck, seeing that there are limited quantities of all 
the monomes.

you could always just buy two logic boards and use your own buttons and 
leds.

128 will probably be closer to $800. we haven't spec'd the whole thing 
yet.