New tutorial. Enjoy.
http://wiki.monome.org/view/MonogridCkVsAbletonMlrStyle

thanks for writing up the tutorial.  nice work!

i wish that Live would let you individually specify a clip offset via 
midi.  then you could load one clip and have a max (or chuck) patch 
specify at which point to play it back (triggered via 40h button 
presses) and presto! you have mlr in Live.

ejectorset wrote:
> New tutorial. Enjoy.
> http://wiki.monome.org/view/MonogridCkVsAbletonMlrStyle

Really nice work. I've had a few people asking me about this now I can 
just point them to the wiki. Saves me minutes :D

jmelnyk wrote:
> thanks for writing up the tutorial.  nice work!
> 
> i wish that Live would let you individually specify a clip offset via 
> midi.  then you could load one clip and have a max (or chuck) patch 
> specify at which point to play it back (triggered via 40h button 
> presses) and presto! you have mlr in Live.

Couldn't you just change your quantization settings for the clip and 
also your loop points? Or couldn't you break down the clip into smaller 
clips and create follow actions?

syro wrote:
> Couldn't you just change your quantization settings for the clip and 
> also your loop points? Or couldn't you break down the clip into smaller 
> clips and create follow actions?

well yes, you could but all of that is not immediate and requires more 
prep time.  in mlr, you drag a loop in and immediately you can reslice 
it in 8 different ways using a row of the 40h.  with the method 
described here, you have to create those 7 different other resliced 
loops (where each has the start/loop point a bit further away from the 
original start).

what i'm saying is if Live allowed you to specifiy a midi CC that would 
be the offset within a clip where you wish to start the clip, then you 
could mimic the immediacy of mlr more closely.  you would simply need a 
max patch that transforms your row position on the 40h to the proper 
offset value in the clip, then sends that CC value to Live to play the 
clip at that point.

clear as mud? ;-)

(btw, Live does have a "scrub" feature which *sort of* does this.  but 
it works on a global basis. is scrubs all currently-playing clips.  if 
you could assign this on a per-track or per-clip basis then i think you 
could do what i'm describing above.)

poop.  forgot to log in.  that was me ^^^^

those little nudge arrows that show up under the clip settings at the 
bottom in live 6 on a per clip basis?

i've never tried mapping them, what do they do?

theres also a "revert" button near them.

yeah itd be great if live was more flexible in this area, but its not.

mlr is better, i was simply tryin to provide a resource for people that 
see as ahlstrominfo's youtube clips and wonder how can you do that in 
live. its probably more for live users than 40h owners.

ejectorset wrote:
> those little nudge arrows that show up under the clip settings at the 
> bottom in live 6 on a per clip basis?
> 
> i've never tried mapping them, what do they do?

well there's ones that nudge it by a quantized amount.  those are the 
arrows you're thinking of.  if you hit "MIDI" then another box appears 
between them that you can assign a CC to.  this will scrub forwards or 
backwards depending on the value your MIDI CC outputs.

> yeah itd be great if live was more flexible in this area, but its not.
> 
> mlr is better, i was simply tryin to provide a resource for people that 
> see as ahlstrominfo's youtube clips and wonder how can you do that in 
> live. its probably more for live users than 40h owners.

i'm quite happy using mlr myself.  but as much as i love the simplicity 
of it, it would be nice to be able to get similar results (easily and 
quickly) in Live sometimes.

Kid Beyond gave me the tip, over at ableton forum, that I could use the 
scrubbing buttons. However they don't send midifeedback so I can't use 
them in that way.
Read more: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=437777#437777


jmelnyk wrote:
> i'm quite happy using mlr myself.  but as much as i love the simplicity 
> of it, it would be nice to be able to get similar results (easily and 
> quickly) in Live sometimes.

The reason for coding MonoAbleMe (later: MonoGrid) was that I wanted to 
be able to customize the 40h to my needs.
Mu needs which are:
1. trigger and stopping clips (check)
2. change the volume of a track (soon)
3. modify and change effects (soon)

I never intended to make it work like mlr. But when I realised I could: 
it became my goal.
I hardly ever use the mlr now, even though it's simple and great and a 
great inspiration.
What I like about live is that I can record my sessionos and then modify 
them after. Also add effects and such.

The future of MonoGrid will probably be some slider functions. So that I 
can use only the 40h for controlling Live, when playing/djing live.

Hey it's funny how crabtree's stuff keeps popping up in my life. i did 
ucsd and am now at cal arts which he did so i hear a lot about his work.
i found out about the "box" , i think he calls it monome now? or is that 
just the site..
anyway, i really liked the interface idea amd i applied that to ableton 
live a long time ago how you guys seem to be wanting in this forum. i 
just came across all this through seeing led buttons on sparkfun.com 
randomly.
good to see the interest in this with live. i was saying before he even 
made the commercial one how people using live would love that and moreso 
a custom ableton controller.
that might actually happen eventually through ableton and some hardware 
maker which me and my friends have been pushing for for a while now but 
in the meantime, while sasha has 6,000 to get a custom maven made, it 
looks like people are indeed using the box to do use ableton more like a 
real intrument.
anyway, one can achieve the same effect with the box im sure (if you own 
max) or even a Bheringer knob box with the 2x8 matrix. All you do is 
split the remote control of playback position offset and quantize 128 
into 8 parts (or however many led;'s your controller has)
tell max to send midi out to the controller for updates and you have a 
crss platform patch (no wierd scripted mac things ) that uses ableton's 
functions fully. i play into Live live with guitar and can do all the 
mlr stuff to it. anyway i don;t have the time to make tutorial and such 
and that part of my patch is tied in with all this other stuff i made 
with about 1000 hors of programming so i'm not about to post it but what 
you guys want is really easily accomplished.
Note, Ableton changed the behavior of remote select on launch with 6 and 
this won't work right yet in 6 but i'm in the process of getting them to 
offer the old ability as a user selecatble option.
good luck with your ventures
shane