Hi, again...

I'm using the Mapd as a bridge. Sending information from the monome to
Modul8 works...
I'm trying to get the midi out message from Modul8 to send the relative
information to the Monome, but it does't work...

Maybe, the mapd can't convert the midi information sent by a logiciel
for the monome ?

Any idea ?

Cheers...

mapd doesn't take midi-in at the moment. it's a planned feature, but 
we're not sure when a new version will be ready.

use _40h_midi.mxb for bidirectional midi notes. more complicated in/out 
routines you'll need to program yourself.

tehn wrote:
> mapd doesn't take midi-in at the moment. it's a planned feature, but 
> we're not sure when a new version will be ready.
> 
> use _40h_midi.mxb for bidirectional midi notes. more complicated in/out 
> routines you'll need to program yourself.

Well, we will work without this feature for the moment... we tried with 
_40h_midi.mxb, but the orders seem to be not recognised by Modul8; so 
bad !!!

Thanks !

> Well, we will work without this feature for the moment... we tried with 
> _40h_midi.mxb, but the orders seem to be not recognised by Modul8; so 
> bad !!!

orders?

tehn wrote:
>> Well, we will work without this feature for the moment... we tried with 
>> _40h_midi.mxb, but the orders seem to be not recognised by Modul8; so 
>> bad !!!
> 
> orders?

Well, yes... I mean the midi request sent by Modul8 seems to be not 
recognised by the _40h_midi.mxb; I can't select Modul8 in the "midi in" 
interface in _40h_midi.mxb...

If you have an idea ?

use the to/from max/msp ports.

set modul8's midi out to max/msp in
set modul8's midi in to max/msp out

tehn wrote:
> use the to/from max/msp ports.
> 
> set modul8's midi out to max/msp in
> set modul8's midi in to max/msp out

Yes... but no. There is no preference for routing midi in/out in Modul8.

> Yes... but no. There is no preference for routing midi in/out in Modul8.

are you serious?? what does it default to?

how does it work with mapd then?

tehn wrote:
> 
>> Yes... but no. There is no preference for routing midi in/out in Modul8.
> 
> are you serious?? what does it default to?
> 
> how does it work with mapd then?

Well, I really don't know... I can't select the Midi Input nor the Midi 
Output. Maybe Modul8 select these stuff by itself ? Maybe, it's all 
automatic ?

All I know is that I can see the modul8 midi request in Midi Dump (for 
exemple) and I don't need to select the midi entrance.

> Well, I really don't know... I can't select the Midi Input nor the Midi 
> Output. Maybe Modul8 select these stuff by itself ? Maybe, it's all 
> automatic ?
> 
> All I know is that I can see the modul8 midi request in Midi Dump (for 
> exemple) and I don't need to select the midi entrance.

i'd ask the modul8 developers (or look up in the docs) how to select 
midi in/out ports. it's a pretty necessary and standard feature.

i just went and looked over Modul8 and downloaded its manual. on page 53 
of their downloadable manual it covers "Configuring Midi"

i don't have the program so i can't see how it works but from what i 
read it looks as though you can tell Modul8 that Max 1/Max 2 is your 
i/o.

good luck...looks like a pretty slick vj program btw

edit: this is in the FAQ page

"The midi does not work with Modul8 on my computer...

One important thing to know about midi is that you have to connect your 
midi device BEFORE launching Modul8, or it won't be detected."

Hello,

Thanks for the answer; but this is not the problem... the request sent 
by the Monome thru the Mapd are OK in Modul8.

The fact is you can't select the midi out road in Modul8 beacause there 
is no preferences for that, at the moment.

I think I must wait for the next release of the Mapd...

> I think I must wait for the next release of the Mapd...

no, because mapd with midi in will have the exact same problem.

you need to figure out how to select the midi out port for modul8.

guhmes,

as a registered user you should email the developers about your issue 
and possible ask for them to add the ability to select the midi out 
port. i'd even post it in their forum.its always worth a shot...

its quite shocking that they don't have a standard preferences screen 
where you can make these selections yourself.

good luck!

actuel wrote:
> guhmes,
> 
> as a registered user you should email the developers about your issue 
> and possible ask for them to add the ability to select the midi out 
> port. i'd even post it in their forum.its always worth a shot...
> 
> its quite shocking that they don't have a standard preferences screen 
> where you can make these selections yourself.
> 
> good luck!

I will post. And I will return the answer here...

Hi !

Well, after few tries, I can connect Modul8 with Max/MSP as you told me 
: "modul8's midi out to max/msp in"

Well, I can send a request from the 40h to Modul8; request that works 
well. But I don't have the playback.

Let me explain;
I have tried with SerialIO + _40h_midi_slide.mxb: the slides on the 
_40h_midi_slide.mxb screen move, the slide in modul8 move.
When I move with my mouse for exemple, these sliders (in modul8 or in 
the 40h_midi_slide), I have no return on the lights of the 40h... am I 
doing something wrong ?

Thanks !

> Let me explain;
> I have tried with SerialIO + _40h_midi_slide.mxb: the slides on the 
> _40h_midi_slide.mxb screen move, the slide in modul8 move.
> When I move with my mouse for exemple, these sliders (in modul8 or in 
> the 40h_midi_slide), I have no return on the lights of the 40h... am I 
> doing something wrong ?

actually you're doing nothing wrong.

midi_slide doesn't take midi input. it's uni-directional. i'll add midi 
input for the next base patch collection, which will also host a lot 
more documentation.

thanks for the heads up!

tehn wrote:
>> Let me explain;
>> I have tried with SerialIO + _40h_midi_slide.mxb: the slides on the 
>> _40h_midi_slide.mxb screen move, the slide in modul8 move.
>> When I move with my mouse for exemple, these sliders (in modul8 or in 
>> the 40h_midi_slide), I have no return on the lights of the 40h... am I 
>> doing something wrong ?
> 
> actually you're doing nothing wrong.
> 
> midi_slide doesn't take midi input. it's uni-directional. i'll add midi 
> input for the next base patch collection, which will also host a lot 
> more documentation.
> 
> thanks for the heads up!

Well, I have made some tests with using "_40h_midi.mxb"; Modul8 works 
with it, but I have no light for test and I don't know how to activate 
them with the _40h_midi.mxb.

> Well, I have made some tests with using "_40h_midi.mxb"; Modul8 works 
> with it, but I have no light for test and I don't know how to activate 
> them with the _40h_midi.mxb.

with _40h_midi the lights are controlled by incoming midi notes. just by 
pressing buttons, nothing will happen with the lights.

so you're trying to get something like a bank of toggles that light up 
when you press, but can also be turned off with external midi notes?

did you ever get _40h_midi.mxb to actually turn on lights? did modul8 
ever get midi output implemented?

could you explain exactly what sort of functionality you're trying to 
get? we'll be able to sort it out.

tehn wrote:
> with _40h_midi the lights are controlled by incoming midi notes. just by 
> pressing buttons, nothing will happen with the lights.
> 
> so you're trying to get something like a bank of toggles that light up 
> when you press, but can also be turned off with external midi notes?
> 
> did you ever get _40h_midi.mxb to actually turn on lights? did modul8 
> ever get midi output implemented?
> 
> could you explain exactly what sort of functionality you're trying to 
> get? we'll be able to sort it out.

Modul8 can send midi data to turn on or off lights on Midi Hardware; 
there is no problem.

So, yes, "so you're trying to get something like a bank of toggles that 
light up when you press, but can also be turned off with external midi 
notes"...

The best way for us would be to work with the Mapd; unfortunatly, as you 
told us, the midi in isn't working for the moment. So we are trying to 
use the Max/MSP patch, with no success... and it's not easy to use it 
beacause we don't have the complete program to make "exactly what we 
want to"... :-)

> So, yes, "so you're trying to get something like a bank of toggles that 
> light up when you press, but can also be turned off with external midi 
> notes"...
> 
> The best way for us would be to work with the Mapd; unfortunatly, as you 
> told us, the midi in isn't working for the moment. So we are trying to 
> use the Max/MSP patch, with no success... and it's not easy to use it 
> beacause we don't have the complete program to make "exactly what we 
> want to"... :-)

aha! well now i know what you're going for.

i mentioned earlier that i'm in the middle of refining a lot of the midi 
patches to make them more useful and versatile, and adding midi-in to 
the press/toggle patch will be in order.

that should make what you're trying to do quite straightforward.

cheers!

tehn wrote:
> aha! well now i know what you're going for.
> 
> i mentioned earlier that i'm in the middle of refining a lot of the midi 
> patches to make them more useful and versatile, and adding midi-in to 
> the press/toggle patch will be in order.
> 
> that should make what you're trying to do quite straightforward.
> 
> cheers!

cool !!! This feature will be available only for Max/MSP, or also for 
the Mapd (would be GREAT !!!)

Thanks !

Hi there,

Some news about the midi-in feature for the Mapd ?

Thx...

unfortunately mapd is lower on the list of priorities at the moment. we 
expect a new version to come around in a few months.

check out _40h_midi.mxb in the new base patches for now.

Hi,

For the same purposes (Modul8), I d like to know if Mapd gonna be 
upgraded coz it s such a good software despite it doesnt take midi-in.
In fact, i m wondering why there so much different programs (with 
different features) to run the monome whereas one (kind of bundle of all 
these features) should be perfect ?
For exemple, a merge between MonomeSerial and Mapd :)

On other side, with MonomeSerial i got midi-in working (with lights) on 
Modul8 ...


Cheers,
Philip

i honestly think the next version of mapd should not work in place of 
monome serial, but in addition to.  ive been thinking of doing something 
like that, but it would be off in the future.

i mean, i just wanna take the advantages of the interface design 
features of mapd (which are great!) and do midi-in ... and your idea 
seems to be perfect ;)

sorry to be eager but when can we expect this new release ?

i dont think anyone is currently woring on it.  sorry =(  unfortunately, 
monome serial working for new devices is probably the biggest software 
issue right now, which puts little time for other programming (plus, 
dayjobs for some, ugh...).

that s very sad ...
can i create widget like in mapd ? i mean, copying and pasting the 
"widget definition" somewhere ?
mapd in very useful to be concentrate on the interface design rather 
loosing ages to code everything ... and see the result later.

i agree with daniel about mapd being a router on top of monomeserial, 
not including/replicating the same functionality.

on the other hand, unless somebody else picks it up, there's zero chance 
of it being further developed.

i may consider working on something with similar (but expanded) 
functionality in the future, though it will probably be based on scripts 
instead of graphical manipulation (you wouldn't believe how much trouble 
it is to code that stuff.)

sorry for the news. would you mind telling me what features of mapd you 
use often, and what you'd like to see added?

i agree with you/daniel about not replicating monomeserial stuff as it s 
the best software to run the monome for instance.
we just need an interface designer for monome such as mapd (that's the 
great feature of mapd !!!). In other words, a program to convert 
interface ideas in monome code.

as it is kind of my job (designing/programmin interface), and, despite i 
m new to mac, i should be able to bring some help if needed ...

tehn, i love the script-based solution idea.  i have started working on 
mapd clone a few times, but it never picked up, partly because of the 
GUI issues.

we should brainstorm on a script method. i'm open for ideas for whoever 
is interested.

it'd be good to determine the platform/environment also. i'd say max/msp 
should be not considered.

let's start a new thread about this.