I'm working on a monome-inspired touch-sensitive controller that uses these: http://www.hemomatik.se/bild_pdf/5lagesgivare/pdf/Datasheet_5673%20indd1_h.pdf Here are pictures of the actual units I have, they're called "hot pots": http://soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3951.jpg http://soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3952.jpg http://soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3953.jpg The company that sells them, Spectrasymbol, requires a 25-unit minimum order. Since I'm only using 17 of them for my 2 prototypes I now have 8 extra "hot pots" that I don't need. I thought I'd offer them up here and try to recoup some of what I had to spend. I'm offering them for $14 each, which is slightly less than my cost. Or you can have all 8 for $100 and save $12. Shipping in the US will be nominal as they will fit in a small padded envelope. I believe this is an extremely reasonable price - I've seen them on only one other site and they were charging over $50 just for one. They call them hot pots because they bake them, which is what makes them yellow, and apparently this makes them more durable and nicer to touch. You'll notice the color isn't entirely uniform on all of them, but this doesn't affect their utility in any way. They feel really nice, and you can slide your finger on them without any stickiness. The touch sensitive area (the center stripe) is 170mm long, which is around 6 3/4". They have adhesive backing. The total dimensions of the sticker, not including the flexible "tail", is 7 1/2". The main body of the sensor is somewhat flexible but I wouldn't wrap it around a sharp corner as it seems like it would crack. I could be wrong but decided not to try it. With the paper backing removed the sticker is translucent to either side of the central active strip, so light (leds) can shine through: http://www.soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/spectra_samples-008-778240.jpg These are essentially the same as a standard linear potentiometer, or fader, with a couple of differences. They seem to work in 2 modes, resistive (2 conductor) or powered (3 conductor). They are much more sensitive when powered by 5V, but can be used as a simple variable resistor with no power and still work quite well. In powered mode, you will need to add a 10Kohm pull-down resistor between signal and ground of each pot. This ensures the output drops to 0 volts when you're not touching it; otherwise it "floats" and stray voltage fluctuations will give you spurious readings. The other important implication here is that when you're not touching the strip, there's no signal, so you will have to make accommodations for this in your software (e.g. save last value somewhere). You could also add a physical wiper (as described in the literature) and avoid this issue altogether since that would hold the position. I believe these could be configured to recognize 2 simultaneous touches on one strip, e.g. a "span" gesture, using the technique described at the bottom of this page: http://okno.be/phys_comp_tutorial/ribbon4/ribbon4.htm ...but I haven't tried it yet. So, for anyone interested in adding touch-sensitive strips to their monome instead of standard pots, or if you are building your own controller, please drop me a line. I'd love to see what people come up with.
on 04.09.2007 23:03
on 05.09.2007 00:59
if someone wants all 8 to do a xenome type thing, i'll let them have it, but having one or two of these at the bottom of my little 4x4 would be pretty cool. i could probably just as easily make my own though, since i don't think i would use the LED shine-thru feature on this project (too many leds). i also need to wait a bit though cause i'm a little bit broke right now.
on 05.09.2007 02:15
I'd be interested in one? jasanimal@aol.com
on 05.09.2007 02:32
I totally don't mind selling them off piecemeal - in fact I'm really interested in seeing what different people do with them. And it is of course possible to make your own ribbon controller - there are several sites that describe how, including the one I ref'd above: http://okno.be/phys_comp_tutorial/ribbon4/ribbon4.htm What's nice about these is they are all ready to go. Just hook 'em up. So if people want one or two or three, probably the easiest thing is to send me $14 per strip by PayPal plus $1 shipping, and I'll report here how many are left as orders come in. If it goes over I'll just refund the $. My PayPal e-mail is ultrajosh at usa dot net. If these turn out to be popular maybe we could do a group buy of 25 more in the future.
on 05.09.2007 11:47
6 (six) left.
on 05.09.2007 15:12
4 left. BTW: I'm switching out the weird-looking 2-tone one for a regular-looking one, so no need to worry you'll get the oddball. (3rd from left in this pic: http://soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3951.jpg). Unless of course someone WANTS the odd one. :)
on 05.09.2007 16:47
2 left. Holy crap these are going like hotcakes.
on 05.09.2007 17:44
Thanks Ultra!!! Meoff
on 05.09.2007 18:07
Check your e-mail - I just sent acknowledgments to the 4 people who've paid so far... 2 went to Edinburgh UK 2 went to Melbourne, Australia 1 went to NY, NY 1 went to Tuscon, AZ Still 2 left.
on 06.09.2007 01:27
Sold out! They'll go out in tomorrow's mail. Please post your experiments and results here for everyone's benefit.
on 07.09.2007 18:33
wow those were nice … too bad I have been away from the forum… this would be a nice group buy in the future no? on another note… any idea how you will mount these for you final product? I did a project with 5 pressure sensors once and i mounted them underneath a sheet of drawer liner (that sticky back material that goes in dressers). Actually that project is on my site here: http://typenerd.com/goods/?p=27 it wasnt as cosmetic as i had hope :/ its been carved up for parts since then.
on 07.09.2007 19:14
I dunno, that woodgrain is kinda cool and retro... but I see what you mean. One of the samples I got from spectrasymbol was a 1/16" stiff plastic piece with a touchstrip attached to the back. So I think you can go pretty thick and still get good sensor feedback to come thru. My only concern with that if it is too thick then it will flex as a whole and affect the adjacent strips. Anyways spectrasymbol has a lot of options for different surfaces (when you get a custom part made). If I ever get to the point of actually producing these in any quantity, I would have them make a plastic plate with the 8 strips built in, maybe a little ridge or groove along each strip to feel where you are, and then two clear strips to let the leds shine through. When I talked to the engineer on the phone he also mentioned the possibility of embedding smd leds right into the plastic. Cool idea but I bet pretty expensive. For the prototype I'm going to experiment with different overlay materials. BTW I will have 8 more (slightly used) hotpots for sale once I get the newest prototype working: http://www.soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3944-714357.jpg
on 07.09.2007 20:46
it might be interesting to try using surface mount leds which are hard as hell to solder but it could be worth it for embedability's sake. you could maybe tap really small holes on one side of a piece of transparent acrylic and mount the potentiometer strips to it as well.
on 09.09.2007 02:36
if you can do the little diodes on a 40h kit, surface mount LEDs are just slightly harder. the only difference is that you can't hold the soldering iron on top of the LED lens for long periods of time. drop a dab of solder on one pad grad the LED with tweezers melt the dab of solder slide one end of the LED into the melted solder blob remove the soldering iron from the solder dab let go with the tweezers. solder the other end of the LED.
on 09.09.2007 12:58
tone's right about surface mount leds. i've soldered at least 1000 of them very recently.
on 10.09.2007 02:16
> i've soldered at least 1000 of them very recently.
omfg, wow, that's right. the joys of coming up with larger devices. a
run of 100 256 monomes is nearly the same labor of 400 40h devices, add
to that the 128 devices. how's the eyesight?
on 10.09.2007 11:04
...this is the main reason I used multiple 10-segment bargraphs for my gizmo - still lots of solder joints (2600+) but at least they're already lined-up for me. Check out the bottom of the new xenome/stribe proto: http://www.soundwidgets.com/uploaded_images/IMG_3937-712971.jpg And those are just regular solder joints, not surface mount.
on 10.09.2007 15:27
we're having the new series assembled by robot, luckily. the hand-soldering was for prototypes.